The Slippery Podcast

From 2012 to 2021, Jen Shah orchestrated a nationwide telemarketing fraud scheme that targeted vulnerable, elderly, and working-class victims under the guise of selling legitimate online business management services. Publicly presenting herself as a self-made tech entrepreneur while starring on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Shah generated millions of dollars by selling worthless lead lists and bogus services—such as coaching, website building, and tax preparation—that drove thousands of

In this debrief episode, Josh Koffman, a former co-executive producer at Bellum Entertainment pulls back the curtain on what it was truly like working under owner Mary Carole McDonnell. While Bellum publicly presented itself as a thriving syndication powerhouse, the guest reveals a high-pressure environment built on operational shortcuts, extreme cost-cutting, and continuous misdirection to keep high-volume television churning out. Over time, subtle red flags escalated into systemic financial ex

What do you do when your low-budget true crime production company is hemorrhaging cash, your employee paychecks are bouncing higher than a trampoline, and lenders start knocking on the door? If you’re Bellum Entertainment CEO Mary Carole McDonnell, you don't file for bankruptcy or try to salvage the business—you simply invent a brand-new persona as a high-flying aerospace heiress. Armed with nothing but unearned confidence, forged documents, and a fictional lineage linking her to the massive McD

In this episode of The Slippery Debrief, Nancy and Scott welcome former FBI profiler Julia Cowley to dissect the mind of wannabe master criminal Natalie Cochran. From childhood sweetheart to the "Ponzi Killer Mom," Cochran spun a web of government contracts, fake tactical gear deals, and stolen millions—before taking the ultimate step to protect her secrets. Julia Cowley breaks down the behavioral psychology behind high-stakes fraudsters, highlighting the subtle red flags and telltale signs of

They had the life everyone in town envied: high school sweethearts turned local royalty. She was a trusted pharmacist; he was a beloved baseball coach and local businessman. But behind the suburban perfection, an obsession with fast wealth took root—sparking a high-stakes pivot into defense contracts, millions in military tactical gear, and lavish spending. As the money rolled in, so did the lies. When the fake empire began to crumble, the secrets didn't just unravel—they turned lethal. In thi

In this episode of The Slippery Debrief, Scott and Nancy sit down with veteran Los Angeles Times investigative reporter Richard Winton, who has been embedded inside the Los Angeles courtroom covering the high-stakes legal battles surrounding former OnlyFans model and influencer Adva Lavie. She's known as "Mia Ventura," to many, but Lavie faces a web of felony charges tied to an alleged high-end dating app theft spree across Southern California. Winton breaks down the bizarre, fast-evolving cour

Scott and Nancy dig into the wild, heavily filtered saga of Adva Lavie—the stunning Israeli ex-soldier turned El Al flight attendant turned high-end menace to society. Leveraging her mile-high glam on social media, Adva built a massive online following that opened the doors to LA’s most exclusive zip codes. But as it turns out, serving drinks at 30,000 feet was just a warm-up for her real passion: serving up major doses of charm to vulnerable, ultra-wealthy older men. Using alias after alias, sh

In this exclusive debrief episode of The Slippery, Scott and Nancy welcome defense attorney Gloria Rodriguez, who represented Tim Norman during his high-profile, federal, murder-for-hire trial. While the public and prosecutors viewed Norman as the mastermind behind his nephew's murder, Rodriguez breaks down the defense’s perspective, why she firmly maintains her client's innocence, and the crucial turning points in the courtroom that ultimately tipped the scales toward a guilty verdict. Learn m

In this episode, The Slippery examines the dark reality behind Welcome to Sweetie Pies, the hit OWN reality show where Tim Norman reigned as a central star. Charismatic and larger-than-life, Norman positioned himself as an aspiring restaurant mogul, musician, and talent manager trying to scale his family’s soul food empire. But as the cameras rolled, a desperate greed took hold—leading Norman to orchestrate a murder for hire scheme that no one saw coming, targeting his own 21-year-old nephew, An

Scott and Nancy reveal multiple updates on Slippery stories they've covered so far. They also take the audience behind the scenes to reveal what's being worked on...including a new cancer scammer series debuting this Fall. The team also takes a look inside the mailbag to address some of the comments the audience has delivered about the show Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Just when you thought the story of Helen Golay and Olga Rutterschmidt couldn't get any darker, the paper trail leads even deeper into the shadows. In this debrief, we uncover the mysterious story of another elderly man who stayed in Helen’s apartment—only for Helen and her daughter to wind up in his will and pocket $280,000 in home equity cash before his sudden death. Plus, Scott and Nancy pit a brand-new slate of outrageous insurance scam pitches against each other to see if there’s enough jui